300 blackout for deer?

[Marine Cpl]

POLAR BEARS KILL A CHILD AT PROSPECT PARK ZOO Don’t think the .38 did it. Also calling bs on 20 slugs. Did 18 shots miss?

Probably not. They used buckshot back then if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Marine Cpl]

More non handcannon and non .300 Winchester Magnum bear killings.

Defense Against Bears with Pistols: 97% Success rate, 37 Incidents

 

[ECU Pirates]

Probably not. They used buckshot back then if I'm not mistaken.

Article says slugs were used.

 

[ECU Pirates]

More non handcannon and non .300 Winchester Magnum bear killings.

Defense Against Bears with Pistols: 97% Success rate, 37 Incidents

Only one bear was dumb enough to trifle with someone carrying a .45 super. The greatest all around cartridge ever..... also a Ruger .454 Jammed

 

[Edwardteach72]

Only one bear was dumb enough to trifle with someone carrying a .45 super. The greatest all around cartridge ever..... also a Ruger .454 Jammed

Well since we are throwing rando handgun cartridges in the mix.

.45 super vs 460 Rowland

 

[ECU Pirates]

Well since we are throwing rando handgun cartridges in the mix.

.45 super vs 460 Rowland

45 super if you want to carry it. 460 if you want more of a range toy/woods gun. 460 has way more punch but I have no personal experience with it. The reason I went with the super is because I can’t shoot the big boomers any more. Even a k frame .357 hurts. I have a forearm that is more metal than bone. It’s getting worse and worse. The 45 super has plenty of pop and not all that much felt recoil. It also still runs fine with 45 acp. I will take it into the woods for deer this season.

 

[Edwardteach72]

45 super if you want to carry it. 460 if you want more of a range toy/woods gun. 460 has way more punch but I have no personal experience with it. The reason I went with the super is because I can’t shoot the big boomers any more. Even a k frame .357 hurts. I have a forearm that is more metal than bone. It’s getting worse and worse. The 45 super has plenty of pop and not all that much felt recoil. It also still runs fine with 45 acp. I will take it into the woods for deer this season.

That's what I mean though.. for a deer

 

[nortatoga]

what i really think .. any cal is ok for any game ... long shots with a small cal .. you got lucky ,,

but if you jump out of your stand and tackle them .. a .22 short is a-ok

what cal is a spear ?? i have seen vids of guys hunting bear with fkin spears ..

 

[ECU Pirates]

That's what I mean though.. for a deer

That would be kind of like a 10mm vs 44mag (light) comparison. If it was strictly for hunting I would chose the 460.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Ha awesome. Hope that idiot hurt himself.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Still one of my favorite.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Still one of my favorite.

If they was me the footage would have been destroyed

 

[ECU Pirates]

That's what I mean though.. for a deer

Would the compensated 460 be by legal? I doubt it.

 

[BDinPutnam]

What caliber is a 125 grain NAP broadhead?

 

[Bushmaster]

Pretty cool. The thing about the 223 is you have the modern bullets and ammo and also the speed. Speed kills.

It is often we hear the 110gr of the WatchOut vs the 55gr of the 223 and my first thought is... what does the Vietnam Era 55gr fmj has to do with any of this? It is all marketing BS.
Another Common claim is how well the rounds do in short barrels but there is little published about how well the 6.8, 7.62x39
and even the 223 specialty ammo does. The 6.8 and 7.62x39 leave the Barak behind for any use other than subsonic and for that we are talking
about specialty and expensive ammo and bullets, that in any case are useless for average hunting or in tactical use against body armor.

In 223 take the 77gr TMK from black hills, even from 11" and 14" barrels, with impressive performance. That is why the Navy seals, secret service, and Special forces use this round and caliber and not the Barak joke. Of all the weapons systems why they stick to the 223 with modern ammo and
guns? We can talk real world ballistics if anyone is interested. Any of this leaves the barak in the dust even from the short barrels.

One needs to understand that, by inception, the whisper line designed by Marty (JD) was aimed to be subsonic.
This has been well documented and explained in the books and in the wildcatters forums where Marty posts.

The fact that AAC bought the blue print and renamed the round to blackout doesn't change that.
After that and with lots of marketing dollars, an internet caliber was born.
Same way Chrysler still sells "luxury quality" cars.

You can carry 500rds. of 223 or only 250 of 7.62.... On Deer I had Rem 72? or 75gr. rounds I used. Only did it twice hunting Deer with 223. And again it was neck shots. !!!

 

[Bushmaster]

from FB 300 BO Discussion group

That is a sad picture for a hunter (Sportsman) to post.

 

[meketrefe]

You can carry 500rds. of 223 or only 250 of 7.62.... On Deer I had Rem 72? or 75gr. rounds I used. Only did it twice hunting Deer with 223. And again it was neck shots. !!!

If someone needs more than 2 rounds x head to go hunting then they need to find another sport.

The bullet weight is more important if one has a larger animal but ultimately the design (terminal design) and impact speed for proper function is more important, obviously considering the placement that is the key.

 

[meketrefe]

That is a sad picture for a hunter (Sportsman) to post.

That is in deed a sad picture.

 

[Bushmaster]

Just because you can take big game with small calibers does not make it humane or correct. Most hunters including myself have done bad things. Hell when I was good with bow (GREAT LOL) before my right eye got fucked using peep sight up close with bow,... Sometimes a big ass trophy Deer and adrenaline over comes your sportsman conscience. I have shot deer in ass artery knowing it will drop in 20ft,.. yrds.... That don't make it right !!! Same with small Cals..... Every hunter has done things not sportsman like one time or another. Legally after ya leave your stand after hours your bow is to be bow locked. But still good light to shoot, who has shot a deer walking back? LOL..........

 

[Bushmaster]

If someone needs more than 2 rounds x head to go hunting then they need to find another sport.

The bullet weight is more important if one has a larger animal but ultimately the design (terminal design) and impact speed for proper function is more important, obviously considering the placement that is the key.

LOL, I was responding to your 223 post about military/// !!! Good reasons they are used. 500 carry, better than 250 in war....

 

[Marine Cpl]

If a 10mm is fine for bear, a .300 BO would be fine for deer.

 

[ECU Pirates]

If a 10mm is fine for bear, a .300 BO would be fine for deer.

Are you comparing close range charge stopping with hunting? The 300 will work with the proper bullet and short ranges. There are far better choices if one might shoot over 100-125 yards though.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Are you comparing close range charge stopping with hunting? The 300 will work with the proper bullet and short ranges. There are far better choices if one might shoot over 100-125 yards though.

I'm rolling my eyes.

 

[Acer-m14]

i shot a rock 2 times today with 7.62x54r silver tip .. it didn't break WTH .. it was only 3 feet away too

 

[Marine Cpl]

I'm rolling my eyes.

What is it that you are saying exactly? The .300 is no good for deer?

 

[Eddie Gunks]

i shot a rock 2 times today with 7.62x54r silver tip .. it didn't break WTH .. it was only 3 feet away too

Use pumice rocks.

 

[ECU Pirates]

What is it that you are saying exactly? The .300 is no good for deer?

Yes it will bounce off at 126 yards but kill them at 125

 

[meketrefe]

Gents,

small, slow-light-for-caliber choices....

A) Can they kill? ....You bet. A modern 22caliber airgun "Can" kill too.
B) Do they give a lot of margin for error? NO
C) Are there better low budget choices? Yes, many.
D) Should we use them? Where legally, this is up to the hunter based on size of animal, range, etc...
Only one can decide if one is happy playing potentially shorthanded.

110-125gr 30 caliber bullets were designed for two purposes. 110gr was for the 30 carbine that was a so-so WWII infantry, paratrooper carbine. The 30-06 is the one that won WWII.
The rest of the 110 to 125gr have been the goto bullets for hyper-velocity loads for varmint and small game hunting.

This is the way a 125-130gr bullet is supposed to work. One trades off SD and momentum for massive impact speed and therefore
CNS shock that is not that easy when bullets in the 30 caliber and below impact below 2200-2100fps. So if one starts wiht those speeds
at the muzzle then one has to exclusively rely on wounding potential alone.

Like this quick demonstration. These are 130gr bullets that leave a the speed of the 223 reminton from a specialty hunting load in 308 winchester.

You can roll your own with H4895 and even Benchmark.

The 308 is one that is super a low budget + low recoil, amazing casing for those 110gr to 130gr bullets.

 

[Acer-m14]

Use pumice rocks.

wish it was pumice .. buds adding onto house and have to drill 16 holes 4 feet down .. one hole at 3 feet big ass rock .. well the mosin failed at busting a rock .. seen sparks though LOL .. and yes i had eye and ear pro on .. LOL ..

 

[Edwardteach72]

Well I'm thinking I'm going to stick with the saiga, hopefully I can get my hands on some federal Fusion, but have some power-shok just in case.

And during the off season either build a 6.8 spc upper, maybe another AR-15 compatible round upper, or a mid range (price) AR-10

All of which will be 16" barrels