Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
As much as we don’t like what @Raven20878 has to say, he seems spot on.
Denied my Sportsperson amendment!!!
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BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Who was it that said "a man is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts"?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
All 9 justices are corrupt.
Thats what I was saying.
You came back with calling people "delusional" and saying we didnt know what we were talking about.
The point is, even in Westchester, you can appeal and win.
You may not realize but to alot of people, a carry permit is as important as food and breathing.
People quit their jobs and uproot their families to move out of state over this issue.
Some people even move to South East Asia to get away from NYS and US laws.
I know a guy who was denied a NYS permit because of a non-violent felony.
It took him 4 years and $12,000 but he won.
To tell someone they might as well give up and settle is fine, but, this IS a fight that can be won.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I think his point is that fighting to go from "Hunting and Target" to "Sportsman's" is a waste of money since both carry licenses are the exact same. They are both restricted.
That's like you fighting for permission to hunt with a state hunting license that via penal law is good for the whole hunting season but a judge restricted you with one hunting license that says that you can only hunt on Sundays and you are fighting for permission to hunt on Sunday and part of Monday.
The fight should be to be able to hunt the whole hunting season like the actual Penal Law says when no game warden actually enforces any of those restrictions because they aren't in the Penal Law.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Don't mind being eaten by one of those. I wouldn't even draw my pistol.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
FIFY.
There's the guy my post was talking about!!!
Raven20878
.38 Special
Exactly!!!! If the OP wants to fight, he should be fighting for a Full Carry. The fight should be that the restrictions themselves are arbitrary. Not a fight to move from one arbitrary restriction to another.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
So my question in all this is as mentioned numerous times in this thread, if there really is no difference between the hunting/target restriction and the sportsperson only that people were misunderstanding what it meant and were using it to carry as if they were unrestricted, then wouldn't he be "okay" to carry his handgun while in the woods as he requested? It seems to me the judge was really considering OP's restriction change request to one of full carry. Maybe thats wrong though, just going by how the denial letter sounded.
This has always been a question of mine about hunting/target. Is it literally just hunting and target shooting or does it have more latitude, like say trapping, fishing, hiking, Etc.? There is obviously not enough room on the permit to list all the outdoor activities.
Is it out of the question to request a meeting with one's judge to discuss the latitude of the restrictions? Like, "your honor, I like to do this stuff out in the woods, I have a serious concern about being attacked by wild animals, am I okay to carry while engaging in these activities or is that something you would revoke my permit for doing?"
This has always been a question of mine about hunting/target. Is it literally just hunting and target shooting or does it have more latitude, like say trapping, fishing, hiking, Etc.? There is obviously not enough room on the permit to list all the outdoor activities.
Is it out of the question to request a meeting with one's judge to discuss the latitude of the restrictions? Like, "your honor, I like to do this stuff out in the woods, I have a serious concern about being attacked by wild animals, am I okay to carry while engaging in these activities or is that something you would revoke my permit for doing?"
@Raven20878 welcome! You say that you are a Lawyer (not doubting you!!) Hope you stay around and look forward to your legal opinions! There sure are no shortage of opinions that are not based on fact here!
Curmudgeon
.308 Win
Yall arguing the various firearms restrictions in NY is kind of funny. how about y'all shut y'alls mouths and do what y'all think is right without arguing on the internet?
If the Raven guy is an attorney, he should know enough about online STFU.
If the Raven guy is an attorney, he should know enough about online STFU.
What about Choo Choo Drivers?
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Choo choo driver's don't like Fudds. At least that's what someone told me.
Justincase
.308 Win
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
I seen that too .. one part was missing from that .. "Some Rights Can Be Limited" or some wording like that ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
is the Hunting part of hunting/target restriction defined ?? what are you allowed to hunt or not .. what law is it defined and based on ??
Well, that was not his point at first.
His original point was just deal with the restrictions and carry 1/2 of a shotgun over your shoulder while camping.
My point was to use what means you have to fight IF its important to you.
I can see a Sportsman being much more useful than a target permit.
24/7/365 you can be hiking , camping, outdoors....
Hunting and target cant be used 24/7.
Anyways, as usual these topics get off the rails. Point is, you can win this fight.
No reason to settle for a novelty shotgun.
As far as reasons to carry a gun in the woods, I can see why judges rule like they do.
Id much rather try to convince a judge that im worried about humans rather than animals.
There are no dangerous animals around here.
Ive spent alot of time living in Alaska.
A Caribu calf is FAR more dangerous than a black bear......
I would fist fight a black bear....
Id much rather try to convince a judge that im worried about humans rather than animals.
There are no dangerous animals around here.
Ive spent alot of time living in Alaska.
A Caribu calf is FAR more dangerous than a black bear......
I would fist fight a black bear....
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Does it make me a bad person to say I'd chip into a GoFundMe to watch you fight a black bear? 
Thanks for all the input. Couple of things, being denied for an amendment is NOT the same as being denied a licence, so no you do not have to check off the "have you ever been denied a pistol licence". Definitely not the same.
Next is the fact that I'm only appealing the decision, I have no intention of taking this any further then his next decision. If it's a no then it's a no. I just want the clarification as to why. My denial is written as if I was asking for CC, which I'm not.
I have been advised by my attorney to not even bother for the full carry, ain't going to happen.
As far as the shotgun goes, not happening. Not my cup of tea. Going the shotgun route would require me to sling a shotgun on every time I walk my dog or take out the garbage, rather not have to worry about that and just trust my sidearm, which if I was able to legally carry, would already be on my waist.
The home is located in a small town called East Jewit in the Catskills, sitting on 5 acres of wooded grounds. I can tell you that I have encountered bear right outside my door multiple times, especially at night when taking out the garbage or walking the dogs. Can't tell you how many times I've went to the door and turned on the light and low and behold I have a bear trying to go through my garbage. When that occurs, I stay inside until I feel its safe to go outside, that doesn't mean there not 10' away in the brush. So positively knowing that there in the area, is one of the many reasons for the amendment. Not to be able to abuse the grey area and carry all the time.
Next is the fact that I'm only appealing the decision, I have no intention of taking this any further then his next decision. If it's a no then it's a no. I just want the clarification as to why. My denial is written as if I was asking for CC, which I'm not.
I have been advised by my attorney to not even bother for the full carry, ain't going to happen.
As far as the shotgun goes, not happening. Not my cup of tea. Going the shotgun route would require me to sling a shotgun on every time I walk my dog or take out the garbage, rather not have to worry about that and just trust my sidearm, which if I was able to legally carry, would already be on my waist.
The home is located in a small town called East Jewit in the Catskills, sitting on 5 acres of wooded grounds. I can tell you that I have encountered bear right outside my door multiple times, especially at night when taking out the garbage or walking the dogs. Can't tell you how many times I've went to the door and turned on the light and low and behold I have a bear trying to go through my garbage. When that occurs, I stay inside until I feel its safe to go outside, that doesn't mean there not 10' away in the brush. So positively knowing that there in the area, is one of the many reasons for the amendment. Not to be able to abuse the grey area and carry all the time.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
If you are talking about carrying on your property, isn't that allowed? I mean you can wear your gun in your home so what would be the problem for the rest of your property?
East Jewett is in Green County.
Yep
But your license is from Westchester? Can you establish residency in Green ( not sure if they restrict there also?)
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
