masterswimmer
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Same as Hildabeast winning the 2016 presidential election.
Looming north korean threat
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Same as Hildabeast winning the 2016 presidential election.
holdover
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Either the US takes action or it wont, I'd give it about 60 /40 against.
The choices the US faces is crumble slowly over time like the British empire or go down fighting. That's it. those are the choices. If We allow NK to get them, in ten years or less the Iranians will get them, then the Saudis will need them to protect themselves against Iran.On and on across the globe. The situation wont get better, it will get worse.
Diplomatic efforts over the last 20 years have failed. the nuclear genie is out of the bottle now. in twenty years or more most countries will have them and the US loses its nuclear monopoly .
The alternative could be worse. the possibility of a nuclear war with China and or Russia over the control of North Korea.
the third alternative , which I think might happen withen 1or 2 years is a limited attack on NK With only South Korea invading the North where the possibility of a war with China or Russia is reduced drastically.
I don't see the US laying down and dying because of this.
GOYABEAN
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Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Thanks for the clarification. My understanding was they caused non ionizing electromagnetic radiation much like the microwave bandwidth radiation I worked on for over a decade (J-STARS, B52, A6E, EA6B); except they burst in the gamma spectrum. Once the TWT or Magnetron shuts off, it no longer puts out non ionizing electromagnetic radiation. That's one reason we pressurized the wave tubes on our radar tests - so we knew if microwaves were leaking out during transmission. When pressure went to zero you would see like these white ghosts shooting out of the end of the flexible wave tube. In that article you posted, it said gamma and neutrons were 40%. I thought that it was supposed to be closer to 90%. or something. I know most of that article means nothing to you because it's really EE theory; but if it was closer to 100% gamma waves and neutrons then it would do what I always thought - kill everyone and leave the structures alone.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I fucking knew it! I remember reading that in those early tests NK did that Iran scientists were always present. I figured they were sucking down free test information for use at home on their systems. Israel needs to absolutely decimate Iran ASAP. Fucking Obama - he gave them $100 billion. That goes a long way in nuclear weapons research. The whole Manhattan Project only cost like $2 billion. I bet Iran has dozens of nuclear weapons ready to go by this point. I think they had something like 50,000 centrifuges or something. Obama did this to arm Sharia countries - they should try him for treason. Maybe they will after Iran launches nukes; but now would be a good time IMHO. And Clinton. I wanna see that bitch swing by a rope.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Well that didn't take to long did it?
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
That puts pressure on the US. the whole world is watching
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
We are having our hand forced while we are painting ourselves into a corner.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
That's kinda of what Im seeing. Just a matter of preparing the chess board I think.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm not sure Trump plays chess, Not as we know it anyway.
Robin Karpov
Robin Karpov
Congratulations assholes (nk, and our own do nothing politicians the last 20yrs) because now after their newest missile test, Half the US is now confirmed to be within capable range of NK.
North Korea says 2nd ICBM test puts much of US in range
Wtf.
North Korea says 2nd ICBM test puts much of US in range
Wtf.
spat
.950 JDJ
Without a declaration of consequences "won't be tolerated" sounds an awful lot like "Stop, or I'll say stop again !!!"
spat
.950 JDJ
Gamma is ionizing radiation by definition, and neutron radiation actually activates inert materials transmuting them into radioactive elements.
What you are thinking of sounds more like an explosively pumped flux compression generator, i.e. and EMP device that would kill the electronics and keep the people.
Explosively pumped flux compression generator - Wikipedia
Gamma is technically any EM radiation generated by a nuclear (as opposed to electronic) transition in an atom, but in common use it means EM of higher frequency than X-ray. So it is *very* ionizing. In order to he harmful to an organizism non-ionizing radiation (visible light and lower frequencies) needs to have a laser like intensify, and it will have a similar effect on any material that it does to a human. A 10KW CO2 laser in the far infrared will go through a block of steel as fast as it will your arm, any non-ionizing radiation of an intensity high enough to do more than blind will do the same.
I understand plenty of EE stuff, I spent some time in undergrad in an EE related field.
When you're dealing with the power output of a nuke, 40% is *very* efficient.
If you want some real cool stuff, back in the star wars days of the 80's, they were talking about nuclear pumped disposable lasers, imagine focusing the power of a 10kt nuke into a laser beam......
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Blimey
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It's almost impossible to believe now anything will happen to prevent NK from ultimately having a sizable ICBM fleet with nuclear warheads. No country is willing to do anything to stop it.
As always stern words and then some joint exercises, like NK gives even a wet shit about those.
As always stern words and then some joint exercises, like NK gives even a wet shit about those.
Even CNBC is reporting their missiles can now hit most the US and probably aren't too far off from hitting the northeast as well.
Half the continental US is within range of latest North Korean missile test, defense experts say
Literally if the US is going to do anything it has to be in extreme short order. Nk has already demonstrated twice they have reliable ICBMs now it's just a matter of mass producing and operationally deploying them. (and sharing the technology with any other third rate dictator or terrorist group with the money to pay)
The U.S. is almost out of time. Its the moment of decision. By "punting" and delaying action soon our decision to stop them will no longer be a realistic option as it would be an all out nuclear war.
Half the continental US is within range of latest North Korean missile test, defense experts say
Literally if the US is going to do anything it has to be in extreme short order. Nk has already demonstrated twice they have reliable ICBMs now it's just a matter of mass producing and operationally deploying them. (and sharing the technology with any other third rate dictator or terrorist group with the money to pay)
The U.S. is almost out of time. Its the moment of decision. By "punting" and delaying action soon our decision to stop them will no longer be a realistic option as it would be an all out nuclear war.
masterswimmer
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I have to think there is something going on that we're not being told. Donald doesn't seem to take shit from anyone. He's willing to act like a child for the most inane comments his adversaries make yet it appears he's doing nothing about NK.
Either the news is fake and he knows NK's ICBM capabilities are non-existent or something is being planned and staged without us being informed so as not to tip off fat boy Kim.
Either the news is fake and he knows NK's ICBM capabilities are non-existent or something is being planned and staged without us being informed so as not to tip off fat boy Kim.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I don't know much about nukes, tbh. I spent about a year working on MX/Peacekeeper; but my role was just to work with the LCSC which is the software console that controls the launch. We ran software tests and checked results; no touching of actual hardware or working on missile technology. Never been around a missile in my life. Once I tried to transfer from Norden Systems to United Space Boosters because I heard living in Huntsville AL was order of magnitude cheaper than Norwalk CT; but USBI didn't want any of us radar junkies because they felt they were better off using people right out of college that did Aerospace Engineering instead of EET. I guess it's for the best - I later found out living in the South was beyond horrible. I would have been miserable around all those baptist rednecks.
While I would love to see USA use weapons that allow South Korea to recover the areas that are attacked in NK; I guess it's not the end of the world if they can't. I feel the opposite about Iran though. Persia holds some of the world's oldest civilizations; and it really bothers me that ISIS has just been wantonly destroying ancient apocrypha and artifacts. I don't feel we should do that. So maybe with Iran you just melt the nuclear sites and then roll in with a huge UN force and take out the regime and then let the people vote. But with SK - they could just absorb the whole NK country into their existing government infrastructure; but would need cash from all the Western countries to modernize that half of Korea.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
There's the possibility that China has told them they would fight on the side of North Korea. which means a war with China. The US isn't concerned about the military capabilities' of NK .Without aid from China or Russia The north would be decimated in 1 month .
I think military pieces assets and units are quietly being positioned. I'm trying to read between the lines on what people are saying. Just 2 days ago a general said to expect the next war to be much broader and involved than what we have grown used to fighting the war on radical Islamic terrorists.
Trump just said that the people he trusts most in DC are military members and generals because he knows they are loyal. And then he promotes a general to chief of staff.
I think it was general Mattis just this week who publically stated that the DoD is reviewing and stopping all in necessary training that doesn't directly relate to war fighting and capabilities and we need to focus on fighting and being prepared to fight.
Etc..
Taken individually there are many non descript comments being made that by themselves don't seem to really indicate much. But if you take the sum of the parts and observe what is being said together by many people and put in context to NK I think the message is becoming more clear. That conflict is a very real possibility.
Trump has already made his statements on record that he doesn't want a nuclear capable NK multiple times. Does he still believe it or will be go back on it? If he believes it I'm sure he is getting daily briefings saying the window to do something is quickly closing.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Or Drumpf is really good at building golf courses and Atlantic City casinos but he sucks ass at being mature OR dealing with complex world stage political dynamics. Honestly, I think he's infantile and reflects poorly the importance of the Executive Office. He is about as savvy as a bag of dog shit burning on a front porch; and has the IQ of a chia pet.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I think the cat is already out of the bag, candidly. If Manhattan Project consumed $2 billion ($20 billion in today dollars) and Ovomit gave Iran $100 billion (including $33 billion in US gold reserves and cash) then they are well funded for making nukes. The news reported from the very beginning that Iran's scientists were present at and leading the testing of nuclear tests in North Korea a few years back. Now they even test launches within 24 hours of each other; almost like a joint test to see if they can work together. Ovomit and Drumpf have screwed the pooch, and are screwing the pooch. I'm still kind of surprised that we cannot convince China to invade and absorb North Korea.
Blimey
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In fact, I'll go further. After every major exercise NK releases a statement about how horrendous it is and terrible.
And it's suddenly glaringly obvious to me they laugh as they say this. They say it just so that the idiots involved in these exercises think it bugs NK (those idiots being SK, japan, usa, etc.). Meanwhile they keep developing their missiles while crying crocodile tears over this terrible joint exercises. Being played for damned idiots for decades now.
If we aren't going to attack NK we need to blockade all their ports and do what we can to get China to shut down the border. If they won't, we make them pay dearly for it economically. With no trade NK is dead. As a carrot we can also make deals with China that are more lucrative than whatever they lose with cutting off trade to NK.
And it's suddenly glaringly obvious to me they laugh as they say this. They say it just so that the idiots involved in these exercises think it bugs NK (those idiots being SK, japan, usa, etc.). Meanwhile they keep developing their missiles while crying crocodile tears over this terrible joint exercises. Being played for damned idiots for decades now.
If we aren't going to attack NK we need to blockade all their ports and do what we can to get China to shut down the border. If they won't, we make them pay dearly for it economically. With no trade NK is dead. As a carrot we can also make deals with China that are more lucrative than whatever they lose with cutting off trade to NK.
I don't even care who that was about, that right there is great stuff.
Toecutter
.308 Win
Trumps listening to his generals. Obama was not. Nk isnt a threat to us. China is happy making alot of money right now will lose insane amounts of money going to war with us. The problem is south Korea and japan. South Korea can be hit hard with artillery. We dont want that. The US doent flaunt its military tech, we don't show our hand. When we let the cat out of the bag its too late. This talk of a space branch of the military, what could they be up to ? Maybe a weapon that cant be stopped, has no radioactive fallout and the destructive power of a nuke.
Kinetic bombardment - Wikipedia
Kinetic bombardment - Wikipedia
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
China is not going to go along with the program, Don't even count them in the plans ,
I don't know what you guys expect Trump to do , launch a a massive nuclear attack while our forces are spread all over the world? Then you blame him for 20 fucking years of failure and expect him to fix it with an immediate nuclear strike?
Even if we did attack its going to take time and resources to prepare the theatre. remember desert storm? it took months to get ready .
I don't know what you guys expect Trump to do , launch a a massive nuclear attack while our forces are spread all over the world? Then you blame him for 20 fucking years of failure and expect him to fix it with an immediate nuclear strike?
Even if we did attack its going to take time and resources to prepare the theatre. remember desert storm? it took months to get ready .
spat
.950 JDJ
The problem with Iran, is the same as Iraq, you *can't* "just let the people vote", or they'll vote in ISIS wannabes.
You can lead people to freedom, but you can't make them vote for it. We're slowly slipping that way here TBH, and if we don't change something soon, we'll be there too in a couple generations.
spat
.950 JDJ
That would be like us annexing Mexico, why would we want to pick up responsibility for that hot mess ?
I know this is a vague statement, and not sure who the sources are but daily mail.uk has been one of the more accurate media outlets lately.
Trump will attack weapons site in North Korea 'in a year' | Daily Mail Online
Trump will attack weapons site in North Korea 'in a year' | Daily Mail Online
Blimey
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I expect him to do what he's doing which is keep embarrassing us, which is the same thing obama did, bush, and clinton.
Trump claims he doesn't make red lines, but you can make a line without saying those words and he's done that. He has said he won't let NK have what they are on the cusp of having.
Is it any surprise some south korean lawmakers (no numbers given) are talking about restarting their nuclear program?
South Korea considers a nuclear arsenal to counter the North
Or their president is going to ask if he can get more missiles?
After North Korea Test, South Korea Pushes to Build Up Its Own Missiles
Trump said NK was the greatest threat to the US. He's been president six months now and policy has not changed whatsoever, meanwhile NK has twice this year successfully tested an ICBM.
Tell me again how Trump is not screwing this up just like everybody else did.
Blimey
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I couldn't find more about that from elsewhere, but it sounds so silly I have to wonder where daily got this info from.