Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Yes. The entire lower pops off with one pin
Most reliable Battle rifle -AR308?
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Yes. The entire lower pops off with one pin
freddy
.308 Win
Thank you! Do you think the mag can be fixed with a t-nut as is commonly done with the ar15 platform? I ask because I've never worked on an ambi mag release like the SCAR 17 has.
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Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
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freddy
.308 Win
Aww yeah! Feeling the itch for a SCAR 17S!
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Given the time and patience one could do it. One could also get a muzzle-loader upper, I guess.
But the question is why would anyone do that on a perfectly good rifle?
If one is concerned about NY SAFE BS compliance then there are other options as effective or even more effective
than a fully functional SCAR17. It all depends on how you look at it.
Bullets do not care who/what launches them. When they get there they all strike the same. Hopefully accurately.
S
stuck in ny
Guest
Too weird, foreign, and could be discontinued at any time leaving no spares.
Its an upgraded AK, how weird can that be? How many spares do you need? Just get a couple of spares of the usual supects and pack them away ahead of time. Its a very high quality gun to begin with I doubt you'd have much in the way of problems anyway. You should be complete with all T&E before putting any firearm into the defensive rotation anyway.
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freddy
.308 Win
I don't understand. How exactly would it be different than loading any fixed mag AR?
S
stuck in ny
Guest
There's no reason to have polymer on an ak knockoff. The original Galil/Valmet was superior.
Its not the whole lower, its basically just the magwell part which is integral with the grip. This allowed the 308 version to use SR-25 mags which is a massive plus and that alone makes it superior to the orgininal Galils. Add a full and integrated M1913 rail and measures to seal up the action and you have the best Kalashnikov pattern rifle ever made.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It would be extremely awkward. You'd need 3 hands. One to hold the upper, one to hold the lower, and one to hold the magazine. It doesn't hinge like an AR does.
S
stuck in ny
Guest
Does the additional complexity lessen the upper/lower slop?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don't know. I cannot own one.
freddy
.308 Win
Why can't you own one?I don't know. I cannot own one.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Because I don't play the fixed magazine route. And if I go featureless, what benefit do I get from that that an AR cannot give me?
freddy
.308 Win
Why three hands? Wouldn't the mag and lower be joined as one?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I guess if you epoxy the mag release.
You'd still need 3 hands when you go click though. You'd have to separate the lower from the upper, bite down on the hot barrel to free your left hand, reach into your pocket and manually load 10 rounds one at a time, grab the upper from your mouth, reassemble, and resume firing.
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freddy
.308 Win
Is there some reason I couldn't lay the barrel down on the ground, a table, or my lap while I reload the mag?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What if you are running to cover to reload? Or you need to run from the cover you are at to another one?
freddy
.308 Win
Unholster my manly 1911 and give the perp some well deserved ballistic treatment with the greatest pistol round ever created by Zeus - the 45 acp!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
If he's wearing a frying pan or behind any common hard barrier, you'd be screwed though. That .45 wouldn't penetrate.
I know I'm an asshole with the fixed magazine issue but if it's a range toy, have at it.
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meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
If it is for using the rifle nobody wants a fixed mag in a firearm that was not intended for it, lets say unlike like a M1 Garand.
If it is for NY BS compliance to keep in the safe or for Tacticool Show & Tell only then that is a different story. In this case a cumbersome
and inefficient reloading system is not critical I would think.
So I guess it depends if the person is looking for cosmetics vs. efficiency and reliability.
freddy
.308 Win
So you are saying a fixed mag SCAR 17 is the same as a fixed mag AR in operation?
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gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I wouldn't be so sure about the types of vests people would be wearing. It's easier now more than ever to buy good quality carriers and plates and have been selling like hotcakes for the past few years accordingly. I just weighed my ceramics with 5 rifle mags and 1 pistol mag and you were almost dead on. 24 pounds. It's just more reason to live a healthier (I'm not giving up wings and beer for shit) lifestyle and staying fit.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
After a few days of wearing 25 lbs, it'll be taken off. Trust me.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
He's just saying what I've been saying. If it's for show and tell or looks, a fixed magazine is fine. But for actual use, it is not.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I will never do that but based on how they are designed to work in real life operation, they are both similarly useless.
For making it compliant and keep in the safe until something changes or one seeks refuge in a free state or for show and tell then it is ok.
It is a castration in firearms version. As soon as it is temporary it should be fine otherwise one could trash the firearm lower.
freddy
.308 Win
Look at the top left corner of this webpage. There it is - a fixed mag AR!
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
The Remington R25 was supposedly designed by DPMS Panther Arms and can accept the large DPMS magazines. So semi 308, 1 MOA accuracy, and magazine sizes up to 30 rounds.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Correct. For show only.
