While I'm already sold on HSTs and Gold Dots I am going to keep my eye on these as maybe a good option maybe
Federal Launches Syntech Defense Ammo for Handguns :: Guns.com
Federal Launches Syntech Defense Ammo for Handguns :: Guns.com
New Federal carry ammo
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Here’s the thing about controlled fragmenting ammo like this. The 3 parts that fragment, don’t penetrate deep. All they create is flesh wounds. Flesh wounds don’t kill you. So you are left with a smaller and lighter projectile that is actually doing the work of going deep enough to hit a vital organ.
Because it’s lighter, it is more prone to go off path. So this is like a 9mm turning into a lightweight .380 after the front pieces break off.
Snake oil in my opinion. But it looks good in gel so people will buy it.
Because it’s lighter, it is more prone to go off path. So this is like a 9mm turning into a lightweight .380 after the front pieces break off.
Snake oil in my opinion. But it looks good in gel so people will buy it.
Well, you do have 4 separate wound tracks, 4 separate chances to hit something vital, cut an artery. Only problem is what happens if the bullet passes through an arm fist? Other than that it would seem that there is maybe enough penetration on the fragments to be effective. I dunno. Seems a little chancy to me.
Here is the thing though I appreciate the potential of this kind of polymer jacketed ammunition to be a low cost alternative and I would like to see the Federal Syntech become a success. I have shot a case of the round nose stuff and it was fine. Does Federal have a patent on this? I'd like to see more companies offer it, bring the prices lower.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yeah but they don’t penetrate deep enough to create these wound paths. A similar round the RIP, it’s controlled fragments penetrated about 4 inches in gel which on a body, just barely penetrates the skin. (You can look that up). It’s shallow damage will be like birdshot which looks gruesome and bloody but very survivable since it’s shallow.
And that’s assuming you hit your target at 10 ft and not further away unlike the test without another barrier in the way to further slow down the bullet.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
If I were to carry a hollow point, it would be this. Good penetration and the bullet stays together. Remember, one inch in gel isn’t one inch in a body. Thats why they say a minimum of 12 in gel. Most human torsos aren’t 12 inches deep.
Well the RIP was well over $1 a round. This stuff is only $.38 I think. And it's only 3 petals instead of numerous so each has more mass and better pen potential at least. I appreciate the effort.
Methinks we need a Paul Harrel meat target test of this.
So after some research looks like a bit of a rebranding of their nyclad round. But maybe new technologies and all
Also factor in maybe the 3 pedals equal about 14 grains That still leaves 124g penetrating vs say the RIP which was something like 80 grains kinda penetrating
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Nothing beats a solid projectile that penetrates deep enough to reach vitals whether hollow or ball in my opinion from a handgun. These bullets are going slow and will not do the same damage as fragments from a rifle will. Each fragment from a rifle does its own exaggerated wound path since it’s hitting at over 2000fps. With a handgun bullet, the fragment wounds are nothing more nuisance wounds.
If you somehow managed to only fire those fragments at someone it would be a shit stopper.
If you somehow managed to only fire those fragments at someone it would be a shit stopper.
Doesnt penetrate deep enough? The first paragraph says that the core (I'm guessing a weight of 124ish grains) is penetrating 12-18 inches after heavy denim.
No that's not the 844inches you want will (sarcasm) but I'll take an estimated 124 grain pill penetrating that distance
No that's not the 844inches you want will (sarcasm) but I'll take an estimated 124 grain pill penetrating that distance
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I think we need a pig. MAC fired an Xtreme Penetrator which makes a large wound channel in gel and in the pig, the wound was the same size as a ball round. And that Xtreme Penetrator that does about 60 inches in gel did not exit the pig.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I’m guessing that the core being 124 grains is hopeful. Look how short that core is. It’s like the size of a 95 gr .380. But even if that’s the case and it is 124 grains, wouldn’t you want a proper 124 grain ball round instead (because that’s what the core is. A ball round.) that penetrates deeper?
I'm ok with 124g (again hypothesis that's the weight) penetrating 16 or 18" in the FBI testing protocols... add a few pedals that will either do superficial damage or maybe actually knick something sure why not
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
I bought a few boxes of this at Walmart. Shot clean and was light on recoil. It was cheap so I bought it just to see how clean it was.
Like I said I'm going to stick with my 147 hst and gold dots but I'll be keeping my eye on the gel tests
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
It did better than I thought it would.
Over 18 inches for core (about 80 grains). 9-10 inches for fragments spreading out 6-8 inches.
Over 18 inches for core (about 80 grains). 9-10 inches for fragments spreading out 6-8 inches.
Hmm maybe I did see this video the
I'll give them credit 8-10 inches for the pedal isnt great but better than some other "carry ammo"
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
I think it’s impressive. Also the core going over 18. It’s like a fmj that has nasty little fragments.
Not impressive enough for me to change my carry ammo. But not as gimmicky as say rip
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
Mosin Steel core are nasty in a deer .. but good too .. half the guts were gone .. saved me some time LOL ..
I would put this in the if I some how had no carry ammo and this was an option I would be ok carrying it
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So. Just like I guessed. A .380 Acp FMJ with superficial damage behind it. Not worth changing from proven loads. I would go with the FBI’s choice of Critical Duty where the whole expanded hollow point penetrates over 16 inches.
Since I will never own a tiger, let alone a Dragunov, I hope to one day get my hands on a true PSL, and will even be ok with a vepr in x54r
Not a fan of horniday, critical duty requires a 4" barrel minimum (most people bitch about to big of a gun)
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
just watch out on that 54R and don't get rim locked ..
Oh and if only if only there wasnt an import ban on SVT-40s .
Similar concept there was an Egyptian Hakim at the local gun shop 8mm mauser, great condition and second 10rnd magazine 1,000 I wish I could have taken home
