Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I think i will too.
Ruger Carbine Takedown !
- Thread starter GOYABEAN
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Not try to start anything! Could you explain what you mean by boring?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
For me it would mean the inability or severely limited options when they do become available to change the stock and rails.
Ruger's fuddness is also unappealing to me. With that said for a rifle that's 100 percent legal and can be taken outside with no worries, it's a good option for New Yorkers.
For someone in a free state like @Podmonkey , there are much better options. Like a 9mm AR pistol for instance with a folding arm brace that looks and acts as a stock with a 10.5 inch barrel for one that takes Glock magazines that also doesn't need tools to disassemble and triggers, stocks, rails, grips, ect have the ability to be swapped. Hell, even a binary trigger can be added.
I believe the sales of this rifle even in free States may prove you wrong! And one thing to remember as much as some bash them, there are a whole lot more Fudds buying firearms then those who buy Tactical type firearms!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I have nothing against fudd firearms. I just don't like them. That's just me. Not the whole of America.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
On NYSSR PCC's, Ruger should offer one of those can things that deflect noise and flash down range, pinned and welded of course. FUAC!
Robin
Robin
So if a gun doesn't look like this:
It's automatically a fudd gun?! Jeepers creepers, I think some of you have FUAC on the brain or something.
The thing is all black, has a short barrel with threaded muzzle, takes detachable mags and is chamber in a caliber with limited utility for hunting. How the hell does all that add up to a fudd gun? Just because it lacks a pistol grip?
I tell you this: I do live in a free state but I still like the than better than most any other PCC, ugly as it is. Still like the Berretta CX4 also though.
It's automatically a fudd gun?! Jeepers creepers, I think some of you have FUAC on the brain or something.
The thing is all black, has a short barrel with threaded muzzle, takes detachable mags and is chamber in a caliber with limited utility for hunting. How the hell does all that add up to a fudd gun? Just because it lacks a pistol grip?
I tell you this: I do live in a free state but I still like the than better than most any other PCC, ugly as it is. Still like the Berretta CX4 also though.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
As I said before, "If I was in the market for a PCC, being in NY I would buy one." No. It doesn't have to look like that although I would prefer one like that because that's what I'm used to. My first long gun was an issued M16A2. Pops was only a pistol guy so I never got to fire a long gun until I enlisted.
I'm also biased against Ruger I guess too. I don't like the whole "We'll support the AWB if you write the law in a way that doesn't include our Mini 14." That really irks me about them. It's the reason I got rid of mine when I found out. And now this in the same configuration. Fuck them.
Now with that said, if features aren't a legal factor, there are much better options out there where one can even get a different barrel twist. For example, I got my barrel in a 1x16 twist instead of a 1x10 which everyone seems to be copying.
You can even swap calibers on your own without waiting for Ruger's permission.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
It's just nothing special in my opinion. It's like a 10/22 in a larger caliber. And we know how common those are. I like the sub2k better. It folds so you there is no possibility of losing either half. You can put all the tacticool stuff on it you want and is over 2 pounds lighter and $150 less. Oh and it takes more types of mags.
ETA: I think it looks better too.
Wildman1024
.357 mag
LMAO no possibility of losing either 1/2 of a sub 2k???? How about when the crappy plastic hinge breaks. This thing is hands down night and day above a sub2k.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
If it breaks. And before then yes. No possibility. How much testing have you done on the PCC to definitively say it's way better?
Wildman1024
.357 mag
I don't need to do any authentic testing to say the Ruger is 100% a better quality firearm! Lets just looka t the picture of the cheap plastic toy screwed together with phillips screws and plastic hinge and plastic locking lug. Keltec has lots of cool ideas that are poorly executed!
My camp 9 is hands down better than a keltec.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I don't need to do any authentic testing to say the Ruger is 100% a better quality firearm!
If you say so. That's the gen 1 by the way. The gen 2 has improved many things. So I guess the bottom half of glocks are inferior because it's plastic. I'd get a sub2k over the ruger given the choice in OD green like in this video.
Tacticooled out
Wildman1024
.357 mag
Still cheap plastic screwed together. Some weird mount to be able to use a red dot. Still plastic hinges. Oh yea and a string to keep the bolt held back that comes with it HAHAHAHA.
I cant believe you compared it to a glock or other quality polymer pistols.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
You're the one who said it's crap because it's plastic. Glocks are also made of plastic. Let's face it. It's crap to you simply because it's a keltec. The fact that you don't any "any authentic testing" says it all. If it's keltec it's automatically a bad firearm. That's all you needed to say.
Wildman1024
.357 mag
Lets see your "Authentic" testing big man.
It's not crap because its plastic. It's crap because components that shouldn't be plastic are plastic. It's a novelty not made for real world use.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I'm not the one claiming one is superior to the other. The person making the claim needs to back it up. I simply said I prefer one over the other and you started jabbering one about how one is extremely superior to the other. Without even laying hands on either I might add. And how do you determine what parts should and shouldn't be plastic? The parts that are plastic are designed that way and clearly work. And I guess the sub2k is a ghost gun as it exists in another dimension and the people who use them are aberrations. "Real world use" lol. How cute.
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Wildman1024
.357 mag
I've got a bridge to sell you...
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Quotes from Bill Ruger himself.
No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun." -Bill Ruger
"I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round mags or my folding stock." -Bill Ruger
“The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines.
By a simple, complete, and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining 'assault rifles' and 'semi-automatic rifles' is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item.
A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these objectives.” -From the Congressional Record, an excerpt from the March 30, 1989 letter Bill Ruger sent to every member of Congress
No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun." -Bill Ruger
"I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round mags or my folding stock." -Bill Ruger
“The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines.
By a simple, complete, and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining 'assault rifles' and 'semi-automatic rifles' is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item.
A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these objectives.” -From the Congressional Record, an excerpt from the March 30, 1989 letter Bill Ruger sent to every member of Congress
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Bill Ruger is dead.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So what? Gaston Glock is dead too. So is Sam Colt.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Just that if your beef with the company Ruger is based on Bill, Bill's dead and it's a different company now and I think they have been showing that.
Fudd guns, hissie fits and dead guys named Bill.
I'd not have thought a simple blowback carbine could generate such drama.
@gun_slinger_boy, I have been considering a Sub 2000 for a while now and I see them at the range pretty often. I have shot a few and liked them. However most of the Sub 2000 owners I've talked to have trouble with them. And the bolt doesn't lock back when empty, the Ruger does.
I'd not have thought a simple blowback carbine could generate such drama.
@gun_slinger_boy, I have been considering a Sub 2000 for a while now and I see them at the range pretty often. I have shot a few and liked them. However most of the Sub 2000 owners I've talked to have trouble with them. And the bolt doesn't lock back when empty, the Ruger does.
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
You forgot this link too: Glock Magazine fits 17/34, 9mm, 33-Round (4 Mags) - $109.96 shipped after code "M3P"
I think the 88 yr old Gaston Glock would be surprised to hear of his passing on a forum post, although his wife and ex-wives probably would be quite happy.
The point is that Ruger isn't Bill's company anymore.
People are buying BMW, VW and Mitsubishi cars now too.
The point is that Ruger isn't Bill's company anymore.
People are buying BMW, VW and Mitsubishi cars now too.
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But the denouncing of his idiotic drivel still lives.
Until Ruger says "We fully support the 2A, AND completely DENOUNCE the MISTAKE, that our old, decrepit, FUDD, founder made", I still can't fully get behind them.
Do I buy Rugers? Yes.
That's a bit of a weak response.
Either we refer to the older company for history, and what the company stands for.
OR
We ignore the past and, by virtue, accept what they say now.
Personally, I hate Ruger. Yes, I've purchased their stuff.
I am not a fan of the comments of Bill Ruger. I do not like them at all. That is not going to stop me from buying decent guns from the company.
If I found a Volkswagen that I liked, I would not not buy it because the company was founded by Nazis.
If I found a Volkswagen that I liked, I would not not buy it because the company was founded by Nazis.