Oh..... What happened during Katrina again? I seem to have forgotten. Oh that's right military units were going around confiscating civilian firearms.
Former NYPD officer upset..
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
We sure would.
Have rifle, will travel. But I'm not holding my breath. Does anyone know someone that works in a genetics lab?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I remember that to be Police and National Guard under orders from the governor.
Since semantics like to be used here, they weren't military.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Now if hypothetically we formed the militia to get back our rights, who would we fight?
That would be those that enforce the laws. The Police. So once again, it falls back on them.
I could have sworn Federal troops were involved as well.
I know you know this, but an unlawful order is something that is clearly illegal. Enforcing laws that crap judges have found Constitutional wouldn't fall under such, including for the military.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Federal Police maybe. Otherwise it would be a violation of posse comitatus.
The 82nd was in New Orleans. I was with them one night at a checkpoint that looked straight out of my deployments, including the 240B.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Except when a judge clearly declares something constitutional when it's not.
The 2A is clear.
If they declare tomorrow that freedom of speech is only for people with a certain amount of people, that wouldn't be constitutional no matter what they ruled.
This is one stupid ass conversation.
The problem here is that people are assuming that all NY LE is some big monolithic entity. @GOPerfect for example is in, I belive, the most pro gun NY county, I imagine most of his colleagues are very pro gun as well.
I imagine the opposite is true for @Airborneguy.
I imagine the opposite is true for @Airborneguy.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Well if they did that, they all deserve to be hung.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Only because you are defending your guy otherwise it makes perfect sense and you know it.
Its not, but I think people on both sides of this need to be a little more objective and realistic.
He didn't say if the 82nd was involved in any confiscation incidents or not. Though I gotta say @Airborneguy, if they were thats bad, man.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I know.
I am not defending him, not at all.
I will say it again, Police, as per the CPL, have the "Right" to carry a gun, any gun, under their badge. All that want to do is transfer that 'Right' to a permit issued by the County. They are asking for nothing more than the next guy.
This is nearly the same thing, if you lived in Niagara County and moved to Erie County, you would transfer permits. It IS the same freaken thing!
I'm thinking that there should be no special classes of gun owners here. If you have a law enforcement job that requires you to carry, then pass all of the checks to do that, and carry your duty weapon tied to your badge. But, if ANY of us are required to have a permit to own a handgun, then I think that ALL of us should have to have a permit to own a handgun.
So, if you're LEO or LEA, go ahead and carry for work. But if you want to own other handguns, you should have to apply for and get a handgun the same as I did.
Strangely enough, I have had cops tell me that their department did not allow them to have a CCW while employed as a cop, and that any other handguns they wanted to own had to be covered on their badge. That seems very strange to me.
So, as I see it, if you want to own handguns here in New Yorkistan after you retire, you should have to get a CCW permit, same as me. I think that if those cops had to endure the same BS and restrictions that we non LEO types do, they would be screaming about it, the same as us. Just my 2 cents on this.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
But it's not GP. The guy in NYC cannot but the former cop can. That's the issue.
That is an issue for the County and law makers. Not for the cop.
Erie County gives out Target and Hunting most of the times.
Niagara County is Unrestricted.
Guy has Niagara for years and years then moves to Erie, his permit will be 'downgraded' to Target and Hunting.
Does this mean that Niagara County residents are evil because the system works better for them?
SAME THING!
Very true in a lot of departments.
Some departments will not allow the Officer to put any guns on his badge other than the duty pistol.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
I have no idea if the 82nd was involved in confiscating guns. I do know 100% from personal observations though that they were there and manning checkpoints that looked like they were set up overseas.
Same here, no OT lately.
And I just paid $3000 towards a pension loan I need to get rid of so I'm tight.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No. It's not. The Erie County residents aren't enforcing laws.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
this sums it up IMHO.
BUT, I DO acknowledge that GP and ABG agree with the above...or at least I think they do.
they seem supportive of "us" (the peasants) and lets be real...there is NOT one of us that wouldn't have standard capacity mags, AR's etc. if we were "allowed" by his highness.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
OT?! I'm on salary. I don't want to hear that OT crap sir. You can take pension loans?Same here, no OT lately.
And I just paid $3000 towards a pension loan I need to get rid of so I'm tight.