Ok, I see that is actually covered in the house bill. Got it.
Hypothetical questions if HR 38 passes
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Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
You mean Mitch McConnel. Ryan is in the house
that hasn’t been tested in the courts and I am not willing to be the test case. Remember in some places the mere possession of magazine without a gun permit is a crime.
HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
Welcome to Andy's Republic of Communist New Tristan, You re under arrest.
That's the Democrsps tactic, unarm the populace. Then and only then they will have total control of the whole complete flock of Sheeple.
Every one needs to contact their senator and demand they support this bill.
That's the Democrsps tactic, unarm the populace. Then and only then they will have total control of the whole complete flock of Sheeple.
Every one needs to contact their senator and demand they support this bill.
HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
I just sent our senators a e mail for support of HR38, curious to see their bullshit reply if they send one. Being Democrsps you know damn well how they will vote on this and any other gun related issues.
We already know their reply. It's the same one they've used for the last 15-20 years.
HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
At least. It keeps coming up, it will pass one of these times. Every one needs to sent their rep a e mail and call them in support of this.
Nanook145
.40 S&W
Wow. The amount of misinformation in this article is truly overwhelming.
The US’s latest gun bill will be devastating for victims of domestic violence
The US’s latest gun bill will be devastating for victims of domestic violence
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
Interesting...though I'm not sure how accurate this is:
A slew of amendments brought by Democrats were shot down, including a proposal by Nadler to ban violent offenders from possessing a concealed handgun and another from Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas to exclude those convicted of domestic violence and stalking. A residency amendment, brought by Democrat Zoe Lofgren of California, was also rejected. The amendment sought to prevent “permit shopping” by prohibiting those living in states with stringent conceal carry permit regulations from applying for permits in more lax states.
The same article also contains this, apparently contradictory, assessment:
The legislation allows firearm owners with a concealed carry permit issued by their home state to carry the firearm into any other state (all allow some form of concealed carry, although many are highly restrictive).
If this ever passes, I'd like it to read "a permit" as opposed to "permit issued by resident's home state." But, at this point, I'll take anything that moves in the right direction, for any law-abiding citizen, anywhere in the U.S. After all, it it comes to the point that a non-resident is allowed to carry in New York while a New York resident is not allowed to carry, I think it would be grounds for an "equal protection" lawsuit.
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IrishMick
.357 mag
Wow! That article is full of lies!
1stLt
.177 BB
I have a question: How does this new law help a Texas transplant to upstate NY who can pass any bgd check on the planet but cant get one single person to sign his pistol permit? Can I go online and get an EZ permit from say Arizona? How does this bypass NY law because you have to have a pistol permit to even OWN the gun in the first place. I feel I'm better off moving back down south to gun friendly states.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Probably the same reply you would get if you requested their help in finding a lost puppy. Pap.
Robin
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
Wait...waIt...wait..... For anything to get through the Senate they need 60 "yea" votes. So, never going to happen on anything; let alone firearm legislation.
[/end thought experiment regarding national recoprocity]
[/end thought experiment regarding national recoprocity]
Tech need 51 votes. But they will filibuster for sure and then force a supermajority of 60 votes
Nanook145
.40 S&W
The tax bill passed last 51-49 night despite all of the dems efforts to oppose it. I thought that that bill had a greater chance of failing than this one.
I don’t think this bill would help you. Residents will still have to follow their own state laws. And IF this does pass, I imagine any parts of the House bill that supersede local laws will be gone anyway.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
I can see FUAC forcing through a plethora of new state laws that would virtually negate any benefit from HR38, and if it further infringed on the lawful gun owners of this socialist gulag, well, he would consider that icing on the cake.
Robin
Robin
Nanook145
.40 S&W
Examples??? There is nothing that scumbag could do to negate federal law. Federal law always supersedes state law.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
It is very clear, as stated by the authors of this legislation that it will be up to the individual to know the law of the states they plan to exercise their God given within, and obey that states law. Example would be New York SAFE act that is still not settled law as to how many rounds you 'may' have in your magazine. Now imagine a couple dozen ambiguous laws hastily enacted to further muddy things up and give law enforcement curb side power to enforce that ambiguity, and like I said, if it disrupts the lives of a few million legal New York gun owners, to them, that is icing on the cake. You don't seriously believe they give a crap about your sensibilities do you.
Robin
Robin
Celt
.338 Win Mag
That article was so full of lies and fear mongering. Authors deliberately doing that should be held accountable. To buy any gun anywhere in this country people need to pass the nics check when buying from a gun dealer so it' no different than it is now.
God I hope that happens. At the end of the day, the Safe Act is unconstitutional, and the faster we get a hearing on the federal level the better.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
FIX NICS BILL .. on the coat tail of HR38
From Congressman Thomas Massie Facebook page ..
ALERT: Feinstein/Schumer sponsored gun legislation that amends the “Brady bill” will be added to Concealed Carry Reciprocity bill (HR 38) in the House this week.
As Chairman of the Second Amendment Caucus, I’m blowing the whistle on the swamp. Last week, Republicans in the House fast tracked through committee HR 4477, a gun bill titled “fix-NICS.” The Senate version of this bill is cosponsored by Senator Dianne Feintstein and Senator Chuck Schumer and it will send $625 million over 5 years to states to expand the national background check database.
" To recap, what are some clues that you should be concerned with the fix-NICS bill?
(1) The first sentence after the title of the bill reads “Section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (34 U.S.C. 40901) is amended…”
(2) Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are cosponsors in the Senate.
(3) It’s being rammed through, without a hearing, in a very nontransparent process, and it will be passed by attaching it to the popular concealed carry reciprocity bill which already has enough votes to pass on its own.
(4) It spends over half a billion dollars to collect more names to include in a list of people who will never be allowed to own a firearm.
(5) It compels administrative agencies, not just courts, to adjudicate your second amendment rights.
In my opinion, #5 is the biggest problem. The bill encourages administrative agencies, not the courts, to submit more names to a national database that will determine whether you can or can’t obtain a firearm "
From Congressman Thomas Massie Facebook page ..
ALERT: Feinstein/Schumer sponsored gun legislation that amends the “Brady bill” will be added to Concealed Carry Reciprocity bill (HR 38) in the House this week.
As Chairman of the Second Amendment Caucus, I’m blowing the whistle on the swamp. Last week, Republicans in the House fast tracked through committee HR 4477, a gun bill titled “fix-NICS.” The Senate version of this bill is cosponsored by Senator Dianne Feintstein and Senator Chuck Schumer and it will send $625 million over 5 years to states to expand the national background check database.
" To recap, what are some clues that you should be concerned with the fix-NICS bill?
(1) The first sentence after the title of the bill reads “Section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (34 U.S.C. 40901) is amended…”
(2) Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are cosponsors in the Senate.
(3) It’s being rammed through, without a hearing, in a very nontransparent process, and it will be passed by attaching it to the popular concealed carry reciprocity bill which already has enough votes to pass on its own.
(4) It spends over half a billion dollars to collect more names to include in a list of people who will never be allowed to own a firearm.
(5) It compels administrative agencies, not just courts, to adjudicate your second amendment rights.
In my opinion, #5 is the biggest problem. The bill encourages administrative agencies, not the courts, to submit more names to a national database that will determine whether you can or can’t obtain a firearm "
Late to the party on this one and not going to read through the 4 pages...
Just wanted to say this, that of this should pass and be signed into law, the following month, NY'ers should invite every single person they know who lives out of State to come to a big wonderful Barbeque to be held as close to Albany as possible! Bringing everything they got... It'll be like to Woodstock 2A awakening! And Comrade Cuomo will flip his frekin lid! It would be a worthy endeavor!!!
I can dream!
Just wanted to say this, that of this should pass and be signed into law, the following month, NY'ers should invite every single person they know who lives out of State to come to a big wonderful Barbeque to be held as close to Albany as possible! Bringing everything they got... It'll be like to Woodstock 2A awakening! And Comrade Cuomo will flip his frekin lid! It would be a worthy endeavor!!!
I can dream!
Sorry but this isn't correct, this has already been settled. 10 rounds in a magazine. It was actually ruled on quite some time ago.
As for the rest of statement, as H.R. 38 is currently written if someone in New York has a NY license they must carry a "N.Y. Legal" pistol. IF someone from say PA was to come into NY and they have their P.A. LTCFA (License To Carry Firearm, the P.A. version of what we have kinda) the way the current bill is written their handgun is protected, but so isn't their magazine and ammunition (this is becaus of N.J. and their not allowed cop killer explosive hollow points for carry), which means they can carry their set up how they would legally in their home state.
Bonus, people who haven't been lazy and have gotten nonresident licenses in other states should be good to go, with them extendo clips and 51oz death blasters
(Granted I've been cheap and lazy and have only gotten my PA, still want my Utah, Florida, and Arizona but meh I'll see if we can get any form of national reciprocity, this bill no not in its current form, it will most deff die after the house or kicked back bitched so much that it will look more like S. 446)
Well been doing some googling and it looks like now the author of the bill is stating that someone would still have to follow all state and local laws, but if you read the bill that's not how it reads
Prudii
.357 mag
GOA is talking out their ass about the fix nics bill. I can't find anything in it about blocking people over 65, or people with ADHD, or people who have received for financial advice.
Really I get it that Schumer and Pelosi are doggmatic anti 2a but where the fuck is GOA getting their information from?
Really I get it that Schumer and Pelosi are doggmatic anti 2a but where the fuck is GOA getting their information from?
Why did I try and read this, i feel like I've been hit in the face with a bat.
Stopped after some shit about the bill making it so people wouldn't have to disclose if they are carrying or not.
Well no not in NY, there is no duty to inform, only if directly asked, but there are other states that if an6 contact with and officer you have to immediatey inform them
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
In politics you never know until it's over.
At least it has always resurfaced over and over again.
It will pass one of these times.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
and people like you are why we have the laws we do. In new Yorkistan, it's a no-win situation, period. YOU KNOW IT too. Nothing is going to change in this state until NY shitty and all of its socialist politicians, are removed from the equation. And thats never going to happen, is it!!
So you can sit here and pontificate on the merits or winning and losing, the fact remains nothing will change in this crap hole state, ever.